What is S.O.P.A ?

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Re: What is S.O.P.A ?

Postby Henry II » Sun May 06, 2012 8:33 pm

DSOP wrote:
circh bustom wrote:The govt only needs to protect borders and manage roadways and transportation systems. Period.


You can't be serious.


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Re: What is S.O.P.A ?

Postby circh bustom » Mon May 07, 2012 6:25 am

Yes, I feel the federal govt should manage those things and all else should be managed at the state and county levels. The federal govt has screwed up every other thing it has gotten its grubby hands on. the stste and local govts have a better chance to succeed in my opinion, because for lack of a better term, they are closer to home. Most of the time the people in local govt live in the communities they serve. Not potentially 3000 miles away in DC, depending on where you live.

I have no problem whatsoever with opposing views. I do have a problem when all you can say is that my posts are utter nonsense. I do have a problem when all you can do is chuck insults at me because you feel your way is the only way. You sound more like Bill O'Reilly than anyone on here. You want to debate me? Fine. Not when you all you can do is spew insults. Im sure you feel all big and important. The internet can do that to some people. Im glad you found what makes you feel good. Now instead of just blabbing that I post utter meaningless posts, come up with something intelligent and we will talk.
You say freedom is not something to believe in, its a right. Yet you seem to not oppose the federal govt taking away the right to bear arms from its citizens. Apparently, you do not believe in the freedoms that the constitution allows it's law abiding citizens.
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Re: What is S.O.P.A ?

Postby Henry II » Mon May 07, 2012 6:34 am

circh bustom wrote:Yes, I feel the federal govt should manage those things and all else should be managed at the state and county levels. The federal govt has screwed up every other thing it has gotten its grubby hands on. the stste and local govts have a better chance to succeed in my opinion, because for lack of a better term, they are closer to home. Most of the time the people in local govt live in the communities they serve. Not potentially 3000 miles away in DC, depending on where you live.

I have no problem whatsoever with opposing views. I do have a problem when all you can say is that my posts are utter nonsense. I do have a problem when all you can do is chuck insults at me because you feel your way is the only way. You sound more like Bill O'Reilly than anyone on here. You want to debate me? Fine. Not when you all you can do is spew insults. Im sure you feel all big and important. The internet can do that to some people. Im glad you found what makes you feel good. Now instead of just blabbing that I post utter meaningless posts, come up with something intelligent and we will talk.
You say freedom is not something to believe in, its a right. Yet you seem to not oppose the federal govt taking away the right to bear arms from its citizens. Apparently, you do not believe in the freedoms that the constitution allows it's law abiding citizens.


The new most ignorant post I've ever seen on HOD, in addition to repeatedly misrepresenting my express positions. If you had read my prior posts you'd know that I support gun ownership and I oppose SOPA and CISPA. You have no knowledge of the history of federalism, or why the Constitution expressly makes federal law supreme over state law, or why the the entire history of federal jurisprudence interprets the commerce clause to give Congress the power to regulate virtually everything, the necessity of uniformity, the benefits of federal infrastructure, and the calamity of too much state sovereignty.

A few small examples: Under your view, the federal government should be powerless to prevent governors like George Wallace from banning blacks from state colleges. Under your view, every state should have independent power to regulate the drug industry. Cross a state boarder with a prescription drug that is banned in that state, risk going to jail. Under your view, aviation should be regulated by each state seperately. Imagine how that would work. Your flight would have to navigate around the states that ban the noise levels your plane creates. Accord all other modes of transportation, cars, trucks, trains, etc. Your car doesn't comply with the emmission or safety standards of a neighboring state, too bad, you can't drive there. The examples are LIMITLESS. I could go on, and on, and on. BUT WAIT, you think indivicual counties should have the power to control these kinds of activities. Really?

RON PAUL IS AN IDIOT WHO HAS NO IDEA WHAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT! He holds office because of the ignorance and stupidity of a majority of his constituency. BTW, did you know that when Ayn Rand was dying of cancer, she applied for and recieved Medicare and Social Security benefits? What do you think of that?

I don't have the patience to educate someone so brainwashed in a false belief system. You all read from the same script. You are a prototype Fox News junky reduced to parroting the lies and false premises of the far, right wing, corporate owned, main stream media. You have to let that go before you can have a meaningful discussion.
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Re: What is S.O.P.A ?

Postby amoergosum » Mon May 07, 2012 6:57 am

It might not be the best idea to discuss politics on HOD (apart from the weekend chatty).
...somebody please create HOP...hang on...it actually already exists >>>
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Re: What is S.O.P.A ?

Postby circh bustom » Mon May 07, 2012 11:06 am

And yet again, you cannot post anything without insults. Makes everything you say afterward, whether right, wrong, fact or opinion, ineffective. Grow up. I refuse to debate with immature individual no matter how much you can Google.
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Re: What is S.O.P.A ?

Postby circh bustom » Mon May 07, 2012 11:11 am

Why are you so sure that I watch Fox News? In fact I dont even have cable!! And I voted for Obama for crying out loud. Talk about being brainwashed. Everyone who opposes you or doesnt see things the same way as you for whatever reason must watch Fox News. Sounds like Bill O'Reilly to me.
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Re: What is S.O.P.A ?

Postby circh bustom » Mon May 07, 2012 11:29 am

For the record, I included that the fed govt should watch over not only the roadways but the transportation system in general. Which would include those noisy airplanes and people bringing their legally prescribed prescription drugs with them across borders in their vehicles, or even on foot for that matter. It would also keep drivers from not being able to drive due to faulty emissions or a bad inspection sticker in another state. I guess your desire to insult me got in the way of reading my post.
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Re: What is S.O.P.A ?

Postby Henry II » Tue May 08, 2012 3:12 pm

circh bustom wrote:Why are you so sure that I watch Fox News? In fact I dont even have cable!! And I voted for Obama for crying out loud. Talk about being brainwashed. Everyone who opposes you or doesnt see things the same way as you for whatever reason must watch Fox News. Sounds like Bill O'Reilly to me.


BC, I applogize for the pejorative comments I made earlier. That wasn't necessary. However, I stand by my premises. When you say that the federal government screws up everything it gets its "grubby hands" on, and then say you voted for Obama, you've got a credibility problem. The two are mutually exclusive. That's like saying you"re a global warming denier, or an evolution denier, but, you voted for Obama. I've heard these memes too many times. They're all right out of the corporate propagandist's (ie: Fox News, Ruch Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Bill O'Reilly, et al.), play book.
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Re: What is S.O.P.A ?

Postby DSOP » Tue May 08, 2012 3:36 pm

Don't worry, we're all screwed. Nothing will change until the world "wakes up" and revolts. I think we're still about 2 or 3 years away from that. In the meantime, I have my drums and cymbals for solace.
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Re: What is S.O.P.A ?

Postby circh bustom » Tue May 08, 2012 4:03 pm

I voted for Obama because at the time I felt I had to go with the lesser of two evils. I was so sick of the Bush administration and anything related to it, so I thought Obama/Biden was a better choice than McCain/Palin. I will never vote like it is a horse race ever again. I will only vote to speak my opinion and not to "pick a winner". In all fairness, since the last election, I have become a homeowner and moved up in position in my job. My circumstances have changed, as well as my view of the country and what is important to my family and I. I do feel that my eyes have been opened in the past few years, and I am unhappy with the vote that I cast, but that does not mean I will vote automatically for Romney or Ron Paul for that matter. Just because my mind has changed since Nov'08 does not mean that I assault my senses with Fox News, or anything of the sort. Changing ones opinion is a perogative, and it is not something that has come overnight. In terms of political categories, I favor ideals from both sides. I just havnt found a candidate that reflects any of that...yet.

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