Let's help JJ Johnson, if you can...

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Let's help JJ Johnson, if you can...

Postby Rodge » Fri Jun 08, 2012 8:05 am

I went to see this on FB thru Cliff Almond's page, damn life...
Guys, the medical US system is really hard and way too expensive !!! :-(

http://helpjj.com/
I come from Tain, Vinnie, Omar, Jeff, Fish, Stewart, and many more...
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Postby Josiah » Fri Jun 08, 2012 8:10 am

Considering good (PPO) health insurance (for a non smoker) is less then most people pay for their smart phones.... seems like more a matter of priorities then otherwise.


Looks like he is almost halfway there. Hopefully his long term care isn't an issue and he can get on at least some kind of insurance.
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Postby DSOP » Fri Jun 08, 2012 9:33 am

PPO insurance becomes unaffordable to all but the super wealthy if you're self employed and over 50. The system is definitely fucked up in the U.S., but it's got big problems in Canada too.

Making health care a profit based system is the biggest problem. Schools and doctors are subsidized heavily during training. They shouldn't be allowed to charge obscene amounts once they're in the field. And the pharmaceutical companies and the FDA are even bigger culprits.

I don't have the answer, that's for sure. My PPO costs me almost $300 a month, and I have a huge deductible. In Canada, it costs me nothing, but the cost of living is off the charts right now up there.

I've heard that France has the best system, but I don't know the details. Europe is on the brink right now, so my guess is that it's all going to shit soon everywhere.
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Postby Josiah » Fri Jun 08, 2012 9:49 am

Ya, Euro countries (and Canada) treat their peoples well. But they also pay a lot more in taxes. I'm sure age has something to do with it as well, my insurance is roughly $100/month. I do a lot of sports, which is where I anticipate getting hurt.
My buddy has no insurance at all, but pays $140/month for his phone.

Thing about the US is, we will treat everyone. That moral standing was decided long ago. However since a HUGE majority of ER visits are everything from homeless to illegal immigrants, the actual paying customers have to absorb the cost.
It's something like $3,500 just for EMS to go pick up a drunk and bring him to the ER (not counting any treatment costs once admitted). And that happens all day, everyday, across the nation.
The drug companies are probably the biggest issue, more money then oil and they truly have people hooked.

I don't think there is an easy solution. In this case with JJ, it looks like he'll meet his goal pretty soon. Hopefully it was an isolated event.
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Postby janne jansson » Fri Jun 08, 2012 3:37 pm

I like America and the people living there but your Health system
is very very very strange and inhuman in the eyes of me..
Survival of the fittest... Darwin would be proud :)

I pay at the most 20 dollars if i get a heart failure or break a leg.
The doctors treat me the way they think is a best fore me and i can stay at the hospital until i am okay .
My medicine is at the most 300 dollars a year..
I don´t have to ask an insurance companies if i can have treatment or a life..

You say, this must be a cuban drummer writing this words...
But i am not..
Stay healthy or move to Sweden!
(and we have a right wing government)
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Postby Josiah » Fri Jun 08, 2012 3:46 pm

Janne, how much do you pay in taxes?

"Survival of the fittest... Darwin would be proud "

You don't know much about the US health system them.

A good friend of mine is a EMS medic, the majority of their calls involve people with no insurance or wealth to speak of. They don't leave them dying in the street....

Like I mentioned, part of why it's so expensive is because nobody is turned away. The people who can't pay inflate the cost for those who can. Simple fact is, when you turn away no one. Someone still has to pay for the them.


Not to mention the US health care blows away the rest of the world. That's why people fly from all over (yes, even Sweden) for top notch medical care. The best costs a lot. Somebody has to pay for it.
The U.S. reigns supreme in advanced medical technology and treatment, from Johns Hopkins and Boston Med, to MD Anderson....

The best is never cheap though. We don't live in a Star Trek world. It's easy for tiny countries to maintain socialist principles because the management structure is incredibly smaller.

None the less....
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Postby DeeP_FRieD » Fri Jun 08, 2012 10:43 pm

With 60/40 payments and high deductibles, having health insurance here won't help you much if something serious happens.

After having a kid, with my girl have insurance the whole time and it "covering" the birth, a 12k bill still came...

My friend's wife had an emergency appendectomy he's gotta pay 60/40 on 30k... All on gigs and teaching, not to mention that your tax percentile is much much higher than average if you are making all your loot on 1099's.

Another musician associate of mine, about a decade older than me had a heart attack, same story.

Health care here sucks. The care is excellent. Access to it not so much.
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Postby moose » Sat Jun 09, 2012 1:36 am

Josiah wrote:Janne, how much do you pay in taxes?

"Survival of the fittest... Darwin would be proud "

You don't know much about the US health system them.

A good friend of mine is a EMS medic, the majority of their calls involve people with no insurance or wealth to speak of. They don't leave them dying in the street....

Like I mentioned, part of why it's so expensive is because nobody is turned away. The people who can't pay inflate the cost for those who can. Simple fact is, when you turn away no one. Someone still has to pay for the them.

Not to mention the US health care blows away the rest of the world. That's why people fly from all over (yes, even Sweden) for top notch medical care. The best costs a lot. Somebody has to pay for it.
The U.S. reigns supreme in advanced medical technology and treatment, from Johns Hopkins and Boston Med, to MD Anderson....

The best is never cheap though. We don't live in a Star Trek world. It's easy for tiny countries to maintain socialist principles because the management structure is incredibly smaller.

None the less....


Wow. Just ... wow. Where to start with that?

It's ... oh, never mind. I'll save my energies for fighting our Government who are carrying on with their sworn mission to turn our healthcare system into a model of yours so they can line the pockets of their pals in industry.
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Postby circh bustom » Sat Jun 09, 2012 7:18 am

A quality medical education costs a ton of money. Malpractice insurance costs alot of money. Rent/mortgage on a building for your practice costs alot of money. Medical equipment is insanely priced. Not to mention the cost of paying your med assts and nurses. I know this too well because my wife has been a medical asst for 20 years. My mother-in-law has also worked for this same doctor since he got out of school. This doc is one of the lowest paid docs in our region. He charges brand new non insurance patients $120 per visit. His insurance guidelines say he should be charging $152 per visit. He is a general practicioner with 35 years experience. How much should quality medical care cost? By the way, he's lived in the same house for 17 years and drives a 12 year old Honda Accord. This is no Porsche driving, mansion owning, jet setter.
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Postby janne jansson » Sat Jun 09, 2012 7:34 am

@Josiah

In SWEDEN we have higher tax than the USA.
But we have great dental care, health care, ALL of the education system is free of cost, children care is VERY cheap, and so on and on...
So most Swedish people get back very great things from the tax.
Of corse i would be great to have all the things we have and pay less tax BUT....

And we do have GREAT hospitals, Universities and drummer ;)
I lived in the USA, two years in LA and New York and i have some experience and knowledge but about your system..
But again it`s your system and i don`t have to take part of it...and i respect your country as a nation..
You have a democracy and you get as a nation what you vote fore....
We could never get the same point of point of view on politics..never and i am no socialist and Sweden have NO socialist government...
What scare me 100 times more than your health system is the way you as a nation handle your economy !!
As a nation you are almost bankrupt and are so in dept to communist China..How could it go so wrong??
Please take no offense as i said i like your country, your president and your drummers..
And this is really off topic sorry.....

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