Taking the Anti-Piracy Argument Back From the Music Industry

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Re: Taking the Anti-Piracy Argument Back From the Music Industry

Postby Pocketplayer » Tue Jul 12, 2016 2:20 pm

WOW...this thread amazes me. Steve would have told us to tone it down years ago.
Glad he lets 'free will' reign.

I've read through it all, watched the videos, read the links.

Here's my summary in a quote;
“It is difficult to get a man to understand something,
when his salary depends on his not understanding it.”
― Upton Sinclair


This is the greatest anthropological norm for the human condition I have ever
heard. This thread proves this eloquently. One poster says he is not really into this stuff.
Why? Because his "salary" does not depend upon him knowing it, therefore not
of interest.

Another uses moronic logic to avoid the issue Frank Gambale addressees by
introducing a completely tangential argument, that Frank should use his position
of 'celebrity' to address other more important issues going on in this world.
This portion of the thread was just moronic in the truest sense of the word.
It was extremely disrespectful to Frank. It was thinking skills that are juvenile
at best, and scary at worst. A man, after over 40 years in the music business
lays out his heart on the negative shifts happening in the world he has devoted
himself to and someone reacts to this by saying he should use his 'platform'
to address more important 'world issues' as a manipulative or just stupid way
of not wanting to face this reality!

This is really significant. Despite the OVERWHELMING evidence this thread has
produced about the music industry, one example after another, passionate pleading
by a woman before congress with specific graphics, a video documentary by a band
in concert asking how many people illegally downloaded their LP, another video by
artists stating their argument...and it falls on tangential ears.

Hmmmm.

“It is difficult to get a man to understand something,
when his salary depends on his not understanding it.”
― Upton Sinclair


Man is selfish. Period. We are always interested in what's best for ourselves despite
the fact that our actions can hurt others. As long as it doesn't impact ME.

"First seek to understand before being understood"

Behind the "I'll use reason to not understand" is tremendous arrogance. It is
EXTREMELY arrogant to ignore and then to defend the act of stealing...when it
doesn't impact YOU.

Not one person in here would play deaf and dumb if they were getting ripped off.
If one is so noble or numb to life, then why did you get upset about anything in
the past 24 hours? Why defend yourself against anything, ever?

The facts are simple and clear. Rather than just say, "I don't give a fuck...I'm gonna
take what I want when I want"...people dance around the fire, but the heart attitude
is the same whether it is dressed in a $5000 suit or ripped t-shirt.

...and this is a forum of MUSICIANS! If we can't get on the same page...all is lost!
Why? because we are all guilty of stealing music for free, downloading Torrents,
not paying for an instructional video. If you can't feel for Frank sitting on over
a years worth of material, not wanting to sell it because he will get SCREWED by
other MUSICIANS...and you even ponder this is whining?
You are a MORON! Now, that's a simple statement.

We are at the frog in water stage here...
Researchers found that when they put a frog in a pan of boiling water, the frog just
quickly jumped out. On the other hand, when they put a frog in cold water and put the
water to boil over time, the frog just boiled to death. The hypothesis is that the change
in temperature is so gradual, the frog does not realize it’s boiling to death.


Wait...let me guess, in the 19th century heat consistency would not have produced equal
heat validity to allow for scientific veracity. No...this is just hypothesis and there has
not been studies at any major university to prove a frog will actually jump out of water.
There is a valid 'leap theory' however we must consider. Why is Pocketplayer talking about
frogs? I thought this was a thread on music and stuff? Did someone say we can really
download a pizza? Can you send me that link, please.
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Re: Taking the Anti-Piracy Argument Back From the Music Industry

Postby Paul Marangoni » Tue Jul 12, 2016 5:08 pm

Oh great, now I can't stop thinking about pizza.
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Re: Taking the Anti-Piracy Argument Back From the Music Industry

Postby Kurtis » Tue Jul 12, 2016 6:15 pm

Yes pizza!!! Valentino's in Manhattan Beach have a great calzone sausage roll. They wrap a half a sausage with green bell pepper, onion and mozzarella in dough. sauce on side. If I could download that for free right now I'm sold or should I say I stoled
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Postby Paul Marangoni » Wed Jul 13, 2016 12:19 am

Pitfire Pizza is one of my favorites (they have a location in Manhattan Beach too).
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Re: Taking the Anti-Piracy Argument Back From the Music Industry

Postby Old Pit Guy » Wed Jul 13, 2016 6:28 am

Pocketplayer wrote:Despite the OVERWHELMING evidence this thread has
produced about the music industry, one example after another, passionate pleading
by a woman before congress with specific graphics, a video documentary by a band
in concert asking how many people illegally downloaded their LP, another video by
artists stating their argument...and it falls on tangential ears.


Without going back to reread the thread, the only point I was trying to make - from memory - wasn't tangential. I was responding to the congressional plea with cynical skepticism, but not for the plea; rather, it was because that's what I feel about government's role in this industry. And I'm still convinced that a lot of people download and borrow/copy because they don't think or care about the artists as people earning a living.

I didn't care much about it when I was younger and when I couldn't afford a collection of music, and so borrowing and lending LPs and tapes to be copied was something the people I happened to know did frequently. Later, it did bother me, but it didn't stop me from a few downloads, but not from torrent sites. It would usually happen hand to hand or someone on a forum, like this, would send me something. In fact, I took online delivery of an entire album on this site, and because I enjoyed the music I bought two subsequent releases from the artist. I've thought about buying the one I didn't pay for, and it's interesting how I bargain with myself by recalling the two I bought ...

And I don't particularly care for Google, Facebook, or any of the corporate interests involved in this mess, and for more reasons than their insatiable profiteering from copyrighted material. And I also don't own stock in any of them because I own zero in stock. All my money is currently in pendulum clocks and ear drops.
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Re: Taking the Anti-Piracy Argument Back From the Music Industry

Postby Pocketplayer » Wed Jul 13, 2016 9:42 am

I admit, I do feel like a dickhead saying what I did, but I went and watched
Artifact last night. Holy Shit Storm! I never heard a song from 30 Seconds to
Mars (really like them now) but what they went through is pretty epic.

Their 'This is War' LP sold over TWO MILLION copies (2012)...and the band has yet to get
paid ANYTHING in over 10 years with EMI and owes them 1.7 million dollars.
Here's loyalty...lets sue one of two artists on our label (the other major act was Cold Play)
for 30 MILLION DOLLARS and let that hang over them until we squash them.

It's really insane. They have a front man who is an actor, if there was anyone who has
'the look' it's Jared Leto, chicks and guys go nuts for this guy, they write songs about
life rather than shallow lust lyrics, their music is very hip and current, they make great
videos...if there was ever a band to promote and make happy this is it.

What this movie does well is break down reality of a new artist:
1. We (record label) give you X amount of dollars (250 000)
2. Record your album
3. Album sells 500 000 copies, $10 a copy, yielding $5 million
4. Record Co takes their cut, typically 85% of total sales
5. Artist gets $750 000...NOW the costs (many hidden in contract and antiquated from the 'record era'
that have nothing to do with the digital era)...absolutely insane!
a. 250 000 advance gone
b. 300 000 for recording costs
c. 75 000 promotion costs
d. 300 000 video costs
e. 250 000 tour support
Artist is $425 000 in debt to record label which is carried to next LP and next LP
leaving the artist millions in debt.

They recorded This is War in Jared's house with Flood as producer. Minimal costs.

And according to Irving Azoff they are fortunate they didn't sign as a new
artist in 2011 and get a 360 Deal! This is white collar slavery

http://www.musiccontracts.com/artist-re ... t-360-deal

Same stories from other artists over and over. Friend is cousin to a guy in
System of a Down...same shit! Spend your $170 million wisely Taylor Swift!
That's probably all BS as well...after taxes and her list of 'I OWE YOUs' she
might see 25% of that.

...and this is ALL before illegal downloads! Which takes to the scene where Leto
stands in from of the audience and asks,
"How many people have a copy of our new record?"
Fans [screaming]: "Yeah!"
Jared Leto: "And how many people stole that copy on the internet?"
Fans [screaming, same volume as before]: "Yeah!"

What do you see on the first page of 30 Secs to Mars website?
Merchandise items for sale...t-shirts, rings, anything to bring in cash

I joined the pizza party...ate a whole large yesterday from the guy who is the cousin
from System of Down who owns a pizza shop! Damn good pizza.
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Re: Taking the Anti-Piracy Argument Back From the Music Industry

Postby Paul Marangoni » Wed Jul 13, 2016 12:19 pm

That's the answer... Pizza joint by day, jazz club by night. No cellphones, cameras, recorders allowed. Violators get their heads shaved.
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Re: Taking the Anti-Piracy Argument Back From the Music Industry

Postby Pocketplayer » Wed Jul 13, 2016 3:10 pm

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Google is getting hit by the EU--Margrethe Vestager, the European Union's competition commissioner,
announced on Thursday a new round of antitrust competition charges against Google.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/15/techn ... arges.html
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Re: Taking the Anti-Piracy Argument Back From the Music Industry

Postby Paul Marangoni » Wed Jan 18, 2017 2:46 pm

Why, he asks, have creative people, and the companies who control content, tolerated a level of piracy that has impoverished everyone except the kleptocrats who distribute content?

How Content Creators Are Exploited By Monoliths Apple, Google, Facebook


If you control the menu, you control the choices.

Forget AT&T. The Real Monopolies Are Google and Facebook.


http://www.netcompetition.org/wp-content/uploads/Americas-Indefensible-Media-Concentration-Double-Standard.pdf
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