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Re: Taking the Anti-Piracy Argument Back From the Music Industry

Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2018 1:04 pm
by Paul Marangoni
In the relatively fair North American market ( assume it’s worse everywhere else especially in UK).
ON AVERAGE
Buy ticket: $22-$30+taxes Ticket face value $20
Ticket Charge $2-$10 bucks 50% to venue/ 50% to ticketing agency 0% to artist.
$20 Face Value
$8 (40%) goes to venue (rent/security/staff/pa/lighting/promoter profit)
$12 (60%) to artist. But this is artist gross!
Then artist pays.
$1.20 (10% of 60%) to agent
$1.80 (15%of 60%) to manager
$1.20 (non-resident state withholding tax average 10%)(Grrrrrrr… total government rent-seeking activity).
$7.80 (39%) adjusted gross to artist on every ticket.

Then the artist pays crew, transportation, hotels, fuel, meals, insurance etc
Let’s look and see how that works.

Take moderately popular middle class touring band. Bare bones. 4 band members and two crew. 200 paid on a monday night in Tulsa OK. $20 face value on the ticket.
Artist adjusted gross $1560

Typical daily expenses.
$300 2 crew salaries (low ball!)
$150 van/trailer rental or depreciation (300 miles a day) + insurance
$90 fuel
$450 hotels (two star or lower)
$150 meals or per diems
$100 amortize misc/overhead (supplies, accounting costs, tax filings in 40-50 states, repairs, storage, rehearsal space etc etc).
$210 amortize day off /travel days (6 days on 1 day off)
$1,450 approximate daily expense.
Each band member (4) makes $27.50 before tax. or 0.7% of face value of each ticket.
Sure the band members might make $500-$800 bucks a show in their best markets on a friday or saturday night. But if you are very lucky that’s 25 shows a year.
The other hundred shows a year look like this.


https://thetrichordist.com/2018/07/11/a ... -34-years/

Re: Taking the Anti-Piracy Argument Back From the Music Industry

Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2018 10:02 am
by Paul Marangoni

Re: Taking the Anti-Piracy Argument Back From the Music Industry

Posted: Tue Dec 25, 2018 6:02 am
by beat hit

Re: Taking the Anti-Piracy Argument Back From the Music Industry

Posted: Wed Dec 26, 2018 1:09 pm
by electrizer
Paul Marangoni wrote:
In the relatively fair North American market ( assume it’s worse everywhere else especially in UK).
ON AVERAGE
Buy ticket: $22-$30+taxes Ticket face value $20
Ticket Charge $2-$10 bucks 50% to venue/ 50% to ticketing agency 0% to artist.
$20 Face Value
$8 (40%) goes to venue (rent/security/staff/pa/lighting/promoter profit)
$12 (60%) to artist. But this is artist gross!
Then artist pays.
$1.20 (10% of 60%) to agent
$1.80 (15%of 60%) to manager
$1.20 (non-resident state withholding tax average 10%)(Grrrrrrr… total government rent-seeking activity).
$7.80 (39%) adjusted gross to artist on every ticket.

Then the artist pays crew, transportation, hotels, fuel, meals, insurance etc
Let’s look and see how that works.

Take moderately popular middle class touring band. Bare bones. 4 band members and two crew. 200 paid on a monday night in Tulsa OK. $20 face value on the ticket.
Artist adjusted gross $1560

Typical daily expenses.
$300 2 crew salaries (low ball!)
$150 van/trailer rental or depreciation (300 miles a day) + insurance
$90 fuel
$450 hotels (two star or lower)
$150 meals or per diems
$100 amortize misc/overhead (supplies, accounting costs, tax filings in 40-50 states, repairs, storage, rehearsal space etc etc).
$210 amortize day off /travel days (6 days on 1 day off)
$1,450 approximate daily expense.
Each band member (4) makes $27.50 before tax. or 0.7% of face value of each ticket.
Sure the band members might make $500-$800 bucks a show in their best markets on a friday or saturday night. But if you are very lucky that’s 25 shows a year.
The other hundred shows a year look like this.


https://thetrichordist.com/2018/07/11/a ... -34-years/


Dave Lombardo could have come here to read this instead of pissing Kerry off by asking to see the books :D

Re: Taking the Anti-Piracy Argument Back From the Music Industry

Posted: Thu Mar 21, 2019 7:40 am
by Paul Marangoni

Re: Taking the Anti-Piracy Argument Back From the Music Industry

Posted: Wed Apr 19, 2023 6:43 am
by Paul Marangoni