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Brushes Crush Roll

Posted: Mon Feb 07, 2011 2:51 am
by Gerry
I stuck a (very) short video on youtube showing how to play pseudo crush rolls with brushes:



A full explanation is on my website (the Tips & Tricks section).

Apologies for the quality (video, audio and playing!), but it's better than nothing...
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Re: Brushes Crush Roll

Posted: Mon Feb 07, 2011 7:09 am
by YamahaPlayer
Very cool, reminds me of Clayton's nifty techniques.

For that "press roll" type sound I general do the hit the rim with the rubber part and let it flick into the head deal, or sideways scraping.

Re: Brushes Crush Roll

Posted: Mon Feb 07, 2011 8:40 am
by Gerry
YamahaPlayer wrote:For that "press roll" type sound I general do the hit the rim with the rubber part and let it flick into the head deal, or sideways scraping.


I'm not sure who invented that rim technique, but somewhere on youtube is a really cool video of Buddy Rich using it - IIR, to play a double handed roll (and effortlessly!) Due to my meager skills I never really got the hang of it (found it difficult to control), plus none of my brushes have/had rubber grips so it just sounded like a barrage of clicks...hence the above 'solution'.

Anyway, glad you enjoyed the vid. If I have the time this week I'll stick up some more clips showing other types of brushes rolls (also using somewhat 'unconventional' techniques).

Re: Brushes Crush Roll

Posted: Mon Feb 07, 2011 10:51 am
by cjbdrm
nicely done...did you balance your phone on top of your head or hold it in your mouth? LOL

Re: Brushes Crush Roll

Posted: Mon Feb 07, 2011 11:15 am
by Gerry
cjbdrm wrote:nicely done...did you balance your phone on top of your head or hold it in your mouth? LOL


Yup, John Huston move over! I recorded it in 'shake-o-vision' using my (patent applied for) headband-cam. Obviously I can't disclose the details, but a headband and a webcam are involved.

I did think of investing in a proper equipment, but in all honesty it wouldn't get much use. There's a certain charm in crap videos though, don't you think?

Re: Brushes Crush Roll

Posted: Mon Feb 07, 2011 12:00 pm
by cjbdrm
absolutely! :mrgreen:

Re: Brushes Crush Roll

Posted: Mon Feb 07, 2011 3:14 pm
by YamahaPlayer
Gerry you can also put the shaft of the brush on the rim and roll it side to side, similar to what you're doing in the vid though assisted by the rim.

Dawson was HUGE on having students practice with brushes just because.

I do love me some brushwork, shame I don't hardly get to use em.

Re: Brushes Crush Roll

Posted: Tue Feb 08, 2011 4:22 am
by Gerry
Another one from headband-cam:



It uses a 'tip-to-tip' technique to play doubles. Result is a lusher sound that doesn't rely on rebound (poor with many brushes). Once again, a full explanation available on my site.

Re: Brushes Crush Roll

Posted: Tue Feb 08, 2011 7:46 am
by Matus
Thanks for the clip, I love brushes :)
On this tour I get to play two songs on brushes, which is always a treat, but I'm having a hard time getting the right sound, mostly monitor issues. Gotta work on that harder and undust my brush skills.
Funny you mentioned that, Yamahaplayer, since my teacher also studied with Dawson back in the day and he had me work on that just because :) But I think it's always benefitial to work on them, as every single movement variation gives you a whole different sound. Makes you deeply understand the snare drum sound.
I'll work on those tip to tip moves, so far my doubles have always been wrist/finger moves either downward for more stacatto sound or in lateral motion for a fat, sweet roll, just like Jeff Hamilton would do (got that from him, MD Fest 98).

Re: Brushes Crush Roll

Posted: Tue Feb 08, 2011 10:35 am
by Brad Schlueter
Matus,

Make sure the sound man isn't gating your snare!

Brad