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deseipel wrote:This is going to come off wrong, there's no way around it. But it's simply how I feel when I see something like this. I like the music i heard. I think they're probably all fabulous musicians. But have you seen the tuition for Julliard? It's like 50k a year. Maybe they're all on scholarships though. I doubt it. I think they could all probably cough up 1100 dollars if they really wanted to produce an album for 10k. So this project probably isn't out of need. Hell, you'd think Julliard would cough up the cash considering they've bilked these kids for a total of about 1 MILLION dollars (if on average, each member is a 2nd yr student: 9 members x 50,000 x2 yrs). So, this isn't about money. All that aside, this grouped toured. Who footed that bill? Did they put on free concerts? Doubt it. So why would a group that doesn't need the money and their school, who can clearly afford to put them on tour, want a measly 10k to produce an album? Two-part answer: it satisfies the artists' desires to produce their album and it serves as PR for Julliard. Or that's how I see it. And there's absolutely nothing wrong with it. EXCEPT the fact that they're trying come off like they need the money and disguising good music as a vehicle for social change. In other words, its apparently not good enough that the music is great, they have to elevate it and hype it as a cause. Can't the music stand by itself? I'm just tired of spin. What's wrong with saying, " hey, we have some good music here and we'd like fans to be a part of that process by donating. We'll put out the album regardless, but if you want to be a part of it, donate".

Like I said, this will come off really wrong. And I liked what I heard, just feel like they're spinning it into something it's not and taking money where it's not needed. I'm probably way off base. I hope I am.

I find it hard to donate, not for your reasons stated above, but because no one buys music anymore. It's unfortunate music has become so devalued these days.

Can't the music stand by itself? I'm just tired of spin. What's wrong with saying, " hey, we have some good music here and we'd like fans to be a part of that process by donating. We'll put out the album regardless, but if you want to be a part of it, donate".

sejuba wrote:Deseipel, no offense taken but I must clarify a few points. i had never heard of these guys before until the concerts. i got to know Tony, the dude who plays baritone sax in this band. That being said, all concerts were FREE.
They also did a series of FREE workshops at our state university as well as visiting poor cities and spending time with the local communities (hey, by poor I mean 3rd world poor). This piece they are tying to record is at least 1 hour long and is quite complex, i might add. I'm telling you man, some of these guys are VERY YOUNG. I honestly can't say if they are rich or not, and I don't care either. My opinion is simple: if you spend A LOT of time developing, creating,perfecting something worthwile for other people to enjoy and appreciate, than it just makes sense you should get paid. How you get the money is not really the question. Screw piracy, support GREAT and HONEST music. Its not about helping America's economy, its about the music. That being said though, I sincerely understand where you were coming from, and to a certain extent, you're right.

Jean-Paul wrote:

I find it hard to donate, not for your reasons stated above, but because no one buys music anymore. It's unfortunate music has become so devalued these days.

I personally disagree, I still buy music but I just don't like the money begging thing.

This makes more sense to me;

Can't the music stand by itself? I'm just tired of spin. What's wrong with saying, " hey, we have some good music here and we'd like fans to be a part of that process by donating. We'll put out the album regardless, but if you want to be a part of it, donate".

And if I hear the album and dig it, I will buy it. That's how they can have a return of investment. Stick your neck out, that what's business is all about. And for us it's fair to buy the album from a website instead of downloading music from your best pal's harddrive. Music is not devalued, unfortunately a lot of people are devalued in their common standards and values. No offense.

I edit my post because I forgot to say that I dig the music!

Jean-Paul wrote:

I find it hard to donate, not for your reasons stated above, but because no one buys music anymore. It's unfortunate music has become so devalued these days.

I personally disagree, I still buy music but I just don't like the money begging thing.

This makes more sense to me;

Can't the music stand by itself? I'm just tired of spin. What's wrong with saying, " hey, we have some good music here and we'd like fans to be a part of that process by donating. We'll put out the album regardless, but if you want to be a part of it, donate".

And if I hear the album and dig it, I will buy it. That's how they can have a return of investment. Stick your neck out, that what's business is all about. And for us it's fair to buy the album from a website instead of downloading music from your best pal's harddrive. Music is not devalued, unfortunately a lot of people are devalued in their common standards and values. No offense.

I edit my post because I forgot to say that I dig the music!

With over three decades of professional experience, Neil Peart has seen the recording industry evolve
from format to format. But what does he think about the changes in the music industry, particularly in the
various modes of delivering music to the masses?

"I know that the mechanism that brought us up doesn't exist anymore," he says. "For instance, a perfect
example of how reversed it is, in those days we made no money touring for a long time, even into the
successful years. You counted on record sales and songwriting to make your living. And touring was a way
to publicize that. Suddenly, in the last 10, 15 years all that turned around and our income is entirely from
touring, and recording is an indulgence. In a band like Rush, no one's going to pay us
to make a record. It's going to be an indulgence. Even Snakes and Arrows basically paid for
itself and that's it, and if we want to make a living beyond that we have to go on the road and tour."