Jack! A Love Supeme!

[gretsch-o-rama]

Could Danny Carey hang with these guys? Probably not.[/langmick]

....Danny has a jazz group he put together over a decade ago and he personally studied under Vic Firth for a substantial amount of time. Pretty sure he could hang.




haha seriously, funny stuff.


Gary Novak crushes Jack up and down, all around, and yes, he plays heavy rock music too!! OH SNAP. he doesn't play jazz with trad grip either....

Vic Firth is a drumstick. DANNY CAREY DOES NOT PLAY MATCHED GRIP!!!!! What do YOU know? BTW, hanging and playing the shit out of something are two different things. Most killer jazz groups have album s theyrecord to document their awesome playing. Danny Carey has ZERO jazz recordings of his group. Also, Travis Barker is GOD.

You're so wrong! Mike Portnoy is God!

[bensdrums]

Gary Novak crushes Jack up and down, all around, and yes, he plays heavy rock music too!! OH SNAP. he doesn't play jazz with trad grip either....

the guy gets decimated in a straight up trade, the Buddy Rich Memorial is a very explicit example.

These kinds of things say to me that you're thinking about drumming and/or music as some sort of competition, or at least in a competitive way and trying to stratify musicians.

This nullifies your arguments to those that really understand music or the creative process. You can say all you want here, but it's not doing you any good, and you're not going to convince many that you're right. It might be best to find another something else to do with your time at this point.

[DSOP]

Gary Novak crushes Jack up and down, all around, and yes, he plays heavy rock music too!! OH SNAP. he doesn't play jazz with trad grip either....

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[DeeP_FRieD]

It's ok, it's not Josiah's fault. He probably doesn't get most jazz and has no desire to do so. That's fine but he must realize that there is a certain jazz element to this board and bashing on the heavyweights is gonna rock the boat. Maybe he'd feel more at home on the virgil board...

i actually play a regular straight ahead gig and own a 4th edition copy of the real book. i studied jazz under chuck flores for years. i own vinyl copies of recordings from the blue note.

...and no, it's not for the day I knew i would have to prove my opinion to you or show that "i GET jazz". a saying that in and of itself just oozes bullshit. it is just that, my lowly opinion. and yours holds no more weight then mine.
its more to show how full of it you must be to think because somebody doesnt idolize the drummer you do, they must on a whole not "get" music. because indeed I am highly educated in the subject of drums, studied under some of the best, even jazz guys... !!!! GASP!!!!

the fact that you want to bring ad-hominem to the argument does nothing but make you look like a child. that you don't think someone can "get jazz" and NOT like the drummer you like even more so.

this board loves jazz, and i would venture from the years ive been reading over it, guys like Novak and Williams are way higher in the polls the Jack.
the proof is in the pudding bud. do a search on thread titles for "Tony Williams" and "Jack Dejohnette" on this OR the old forum.... one of those is going to literally be 100x the other.

and like that very easy display of unknowing popular opinion, mine weighs in about the same, Jack is note worthy and worth mentioning, but others far exceed.


by the way, whoever you are 'gretsch o rama', as hard as you may find it to believe, even the best in the world, all of them actually, do not agree on issues like this. and, believe it or not - but it is still true - have negative things to say about other players, dead and alive.
you would probably be appalled at some comments, as you obviously are, about various "greats" that are made by.. well greats.

there is no magic "get it" sphere of drums or music for that matter. our differing opinions are a large part of why music is so awesome and diverse. diverse, it's a cool concept check it out.

...can't be challenged if you know ANYTHING about drums!

wow.

All right, settle down guys.
Nobody cares if you qualify yourself with a straight ahead gig or the fact you own a real book... it's just that you called Jack crap, and to people that know, you instantly disqualified yourself. That's it. I know some people here want to show you where you might not be right, but it is a subjective thing.

All I can say to you is to go out an experience some more Jack, there's a reason why you have received such a fervent response, and you just haven't stumbled upon it yet.

One thing to note, Jack is a musician's drummer, not a drummer's drummer. Listen to how he supports the other instrumentalists.

Trust me, you'll be on a hit with some cats for the first time and get asked to "do something like Jack", it's happened to me several times.

[Lucas Ives]

Gary Novak crushes Jack up and down, ...

Wow. Take that to Gary and see where you get.

[langmick]

I understand Bobby Rock could also crush DeJohnette, dude's got a HAYOOGE bench, probably maxes at 420-425. He'd squash him like a bug in ANY drum solo competition.

I'd like to see Danny Carey and Bobby Rock go at it, UFC style, in a drum solo competition. That would rule. RULE.

[Henry II]

It's ok, it's not Josiah's fault. He probably doesn't get most jazz and has no desire to do so. That's fine but he must realize that there is a certain jazz element to this board and bashing on the heavyweights is gonna rock the boat. Maybe he'd feel more at home on the virgil board...

i actually play a regular straight ahead gig and own a 4th edition copy of the real book. i studied jazz under chuck flores for years. i own vinyl copies of recordings from the blue note.

...and no, it's not for the day I knew i would have to prove my opinion to you or show that "i GET jazz". a saying that in and of itself just oozes bullshit. it is just that, my lowly opinion. and yours holds no more weight then mine.
its more to show how full of it you must be to think because somebody doesnt idolize the drummer you do, they must on a whole not "get" music. because indeed I am highly educated in the subject of drums, studied under some of the best, even jazz guys... !!!! GASP!!!!

the fact that you want to bring ad-hominem to the argument does nothing but make you look like a child. that you don't think someone can "get jazz" and NOT like the drummer you like even more so.

this board loves jazz, and i would venture from the years ive been reading over it, guys like Novak and Williams are way higher in the polls the Jack.
the proof is in the pudding bud. do a search on thread titles for "Tony Williams" and "Jack Dejohnette" on this OR the old forum.... one of those is going to literally be 100x the other.

and like that very easy display of unknowing popular opinion, mine weighs in about the same, Jack is note worthy and worth mentioning, but others far exceed.


by the way, whoever you are 'gretsch o rama', as hard as you may find it to believe, even the best in the world, all of them actually, do not agree on issues like this. and, believe it or not - but it is still true - have negative things to say about other players, dead and alive.
you would probably be appalled at some comments, as you obviously are, about various "greats" that are made by.. well greats.

there is no magic "get it" sphere of drums or music for that matter. our differing opinions are a large part of why music is so awesome and diverse. diverse, it's a cool concept check it out.

...can't be challenged if you know ANYTHING about drums!

wow.

Complete nonsense! No one criticized you for not idolizing the same drummers that they idolize. That's BS. Calling a legendary drummer/musician, highly respected by virtually everyone in the business, "crap" goes way way beyond "not idolizing" him or not "getting it." You're a troll! You, justifiably, got treated like one!

PS: Your accusation of "ad hominem [attacks]" is laughably hypocritical.

One more thing, if you are going to use maxims, get them right. The saying is: "the proof of the pudding is in the eating," not "the proof is in the pudding" unless you're trying to smuggle a lockpick in to prison. Hahaha!

[Henry II]

Could Danny Carey hang with these guys? Probably not.[/langmick]

....Danny has a jazz group he put together over a decade ago and he personally studied under Vic Firth for a substantial amount of time. Pretty sure he could hang.




haha seriously, funny stuff.


Gary Novak crushes Jack up and down, all around, and yes, he plays heavy rock music too!! OH SNAP. he doesn't play jazz with trad grip either....

Clueless!

[Tombo 7/4]

I was sold to Jack when I heard Mike Brecker's eponym album.
My sax brother bought when it came out and was listening to it all the time. Syzygy blew and still blows my mind. The sax/drums intro are 2:30 of pure music, and with just two instruments. Improvisation and interplay on the highest level. The conversation is spontaneous and Jack's four limb jazz independance is insane. I think neurologists and psychs recently agreed that music improvisation is mind vs body's most advanced and difficult activity. Well here's the proof:

[DSOP]

It took me about 20 years of playing experience before I appreciated Jack's playing. At that point, I went crazy and picked up as much stuff with Jack on it as I could. I love his playing and love his compositions.