Meet the new boss

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Re: Meet the new boss

Postby DSOP » Mon May 14, 2012 12:53 pm

Josiah wrote:Since when did major label give artist 15+% of every album sold?! And the only risk was touring? That's a laughable statement.


This is what people do not understand. When they look at the royalties that the record labels paid artists it doesn’t seem like a lot. It seems unfair. Until you consider the guaranteed advances. Let’s say the artist was to be paid a lowly 12% royalty by contract. That compares unfavorably to the 61% of revenue that the independent artist gets from iTunes. But the artist is always given an advance and usually the advance assumes moderate success. But 9 of those 10 bands did not achieve great success even moderate success. It was never expected that all 10 would be successful. So the result was that the record label artist actually received a lot more than that contractual 12%. The unsuccessful artist may have received an advance that was equal to 90% of the gross revenue generated by that recording. And most artists were unsuccessful. So your average record label artist was actually receiving way more than 12%. The artist royalty rate is actually the floor. It’s the minimum share of revenue the artist will receive.
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Re: Meet the new boss

Postby circh bustom » Mon May 14, 2012 1:21 pm

Josiah, I was only using what David Lowery had put in his essay.

DSOP, good point about the stuff going out the back door.
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Re: Meet the new boss

Postby Josiah » Mon May 14, 2012 1:27 pm

Funny it went from Over 15% to 12%... it's things like that.

From what I've heard, never being a major label artist, maybe somebody can point to some real figures - but I've never heard of a major label artist getting a deal for 12 points.

From what I've heard, 4 points is a VERY good deal, and that's from music business classes at MI, Kenny Kerner and all. Again could be wrong, but given the essay has no footnotes or references either...
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Re: Meet the new boss

Postby DSOP » Mon May 14, 2012 2:47 pm

Josiah wrote:Funny it went from Over 15% to 12%... it's things like that.


Every deal is (was) different. Also, it's based on the wholesale price, not retail.
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Re: Meet the new boss

Postby Josiah » Mon May 14, 2012 4:23 pm

DSOP wrote:Every deal is (was) different. Also, it's based on the wholesale price, not retail.



Says who?

$15.99 is NOT the wholesale price. That's retail. That's what the dude used. $2.50 from wholesale would be an incredibly deal wouldn't it?! That'd be like 25% or more...


Like I said, no references. No notta. From everything I've heard, from very educated sources, 4 points on a record deal was considered extremely good. Not 15 or 25 points...
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Re: Meet the new boss

Postby gretsch-o-rama » Mon May 14, 2012 4:23 pm

DSOP wrote:
Josiah wrote:Funny it went from Over 15% to 12%... it's things like that.


Every deal is (was) different. Also, it's based on the wholesale price, not retail.[/quote

Indeed every deal is different and that in particular means not everyone got advances. The woman from deelite comments below the essay saying she didn't get an advance...
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Re: Meet the new boss

Postby gretsch-o-rama » Mon May 14, 2012 4:26 pm

Then again i think he was talking about his experience with the grunge bubble.
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Re: Meet the new boss

Postby DSOP » Mon May 14, 2012 6:32 pm

Whatever people. If you think things are just hunky dory now, congratulations. You're one of the 1% that benefits from the new modus operandi. You won the lottery. Way to take it up the ass from Facebook, Google, and every other company raking it in.
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Re: Meet the new boss

Postby DSOP » Mon May 14, 2012 6:37 pm

Josiah wrote:Says who?


In the 1990‘s typical deals were 15-25% of wholesale. I’m told some superstars got as much as 50%. Add another 70-95 cents for mandatory and statutory “mechanical royalties”. And your “typical’ artist was getting more than 25% of wholesale on physical CDs.

Further mechanical royalties are paid regardless of whether a record is recouped or not. So ”downloading a free album” almost always takes 70-95 cents out of the artists pocket, EVEN IF THE ARTIST IS UNRECOUPED!

This negative view of record deals is the result of what I call “the whiner bias.” You only hear about the “bad” record deals. And believe me there were bad deals out there! but most weren’t. But what artist is gonna go out and say “Man my record label is paying me so much money it’s amazingly fair!!”

Also people often confuse artistic conflicts with monetary conflicts. Record labels definitely sought to control artists creatively. But as Morrissey notes

”you could have said no, if you wanted to, you could have said no”
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Re: Meet the new boss

Postby DSOP » Mon May 14, 2012 6:45 pm

Josiah wrote:$15.99 is NOT the wholesale price. That's retail. That's what the dude used. $2.50 from wholesale would be an incredibly deal wouldn't it?! That'd be like 25% or more...


Like I said, no references. No notta.


He's using HIS OWN CONTRACT as a reference and comparing his rate when using digital downloads to CDs. It is a COMPARISION. He's using HIS OWN DEAL for reference.

Let’s take my artist royalty rate of 16% and compare who gets what under the old pre digital system and the new system. (don’t forget i’m also including the mechanical royalty).

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