Bruner with Holdsworth (Dan Quayle Edition)

[james]

If you don't like Bruner's approach, that's fine. Every one has their own preferences. But while I'm not crazy about his playing, I don't know about calling it less "tasteful". It's just a matter of different taste.

Some people speak faster. Some guitarists play more notes. Some drummers play more notes. Just because you don't like it, doesn't mean it's not tasteful. Some people think faster. I'm sure that Bruner's mind is thinking so fast that these fills don't seem nearly as nuclear as they do to me.

I too prefer bigger notes and more space, with the odd flurry here and there. But that's me.

i see your point, but tasteful playing to me is playing the appropriate thing at a given moment with good judgement. regardless of what type of playing style you're in to, generally speaking, i think it's safe to say he's not playing too tastefully. at least not in THAT clip. just because someone is into punk rock doesn't mean playing that style on seven days is just "different taste" (i know, sorta extreme example but you get my point).

[LinearDrumma]

If you don't like Bruner's approach, that's fine. Every one has their own Some people speak faster. Some guitarists play more notes. Some drummers play more notes. Just because you don't like it, doesn't mean it's not tasteful.

Great statement...couldn't agree more

i see your point, but tasteful playing to me is playing the appropriate thing at a given moment with good judgement. regardless of what type of playing style you're in to, generally speaking, i think it's safe to say he's not playing too tastefully. at least not in THAT clip.

So if AH told him I really want u to cut loose on this does that statement still hold true. Sounds like "taste" is nothing more than subjective personal opinion to me

Ayways I love Bruner and thought that clip was hot...

[littlegrooves]

His touch seemed off a bit, but maybe it was the placement of the camera-- just weird touch with respect to the rest of the mix.

[DSOP]

What is the Dan Quayle reference all about anyway?

[Clint Hopkins]

What is the Dan Quayle reference all about anyway?

Just my poor attempt at being funny. The guy that put the vids on YT named them Allan Holdsworth at the Baked Potatoe.

[DSOP]

What is the Dan Quayle reference all about anyway?

Just my poor attempt at being funny. The guy that put the vids on YT named them Allan Holdsworth at the Baked Potatoe.

Aaaaaah! Thanks for clearing that up. I vaguely remember that Quayle-ism (even though I'm Canadian).

[circh bustom]

Please enjoy your opinions, as Im about to do mine, but come on. The guy is younger than most of us and he is playing power trio fusion with Allan Holdsworth at the Baked Potato(e). When else is it appropriate to cut loose besides this? Granted I have never been in the BP, much less played there as I know some on here have, but if there was ever a time in my mind this would be it. Do you really, for more than novelty value want to see one of the Marottas play this? I want someone who will rip the walls down. It's not a ballad, or a radio single or a singer songwriter vehicle to showcase their poetic mastery. Is Bruner getting flack here because Tony is known for this song and no one else should take chances or be bombastic on it besides him?
When Billy Martin takes chances based around 8th notes, people bow at his altar. When Bruner, or any number of similar styled drummer, takes chances based on 32nd notes it's too much. Overplaying. He's not listening. Why? I do understand about the less is more thing, I just wish it wasn't the only respected approach.
Disclaimer- I in no way mean any disrespect to the Marottas. The remark was not made with any malintent, just picked a random name that was known for straight, in the pocket material.

[Jim Richman]

I know I was the first naysayer on this thread. Yeah, the train wreck for me was that split second where Allan had to re-adjust during the first head.

But I have to admit that I saw Bruner with Stanely Clarke and Hiromi and he was completely amazing. It was one of the best shows I have ever been to, and his drumming had a lot to do with it.

[Yussuf]

I like to watch an occasional gospel chops video every now and then. You know, guys playing solo drums, where they can really cut loose with the concept of different hand/foot combos and displacements at one dynamic(loud) level. No touch or tone, just pure mayhem and "murdering on them drums". It's like watching porn, you know you shouldn't be influenced by it but you just enjoy it too much to stop wa...tching.
Here, with two of the heaviest musicians on the planet it was just a serious mismatch.
But got to admit, Bruner is a formidable talent, and I applaud him for his fearlessness on the bandstand.

[Matus]

Some stuff he played was great, some wasn't. The problem isn't the ammount of notes but the quality and musical value. The musical message behing all the flurry notes. He's not really taking so many chances, because no matter how many notes he's putting in or how busy it sounds, what comes out to the music is pretty much 8th note language with a blur of fill notes. He really got it going around the 4:00 mark. That's the stuff I wanna hear with musicians like AH and JJ, real rythmic challenges, oddly grouped stuff that doesn't compromise the feel of the song. It's painful to watch how Jimmy Johnson is taking more rythmic chances than him.
Also, there's a lot to be said about him listening to what AH is doing during his solo. I just couldn't feel the interaction at all and that's why Gary Novak gets away with playing an awful lot of notes, because all of them sound somehow related to what's going on.